Lisa Deam: We Are All Pilgrims

Sister Julia Walsh and author Lisa Deam talk about pilgrimage as a spiritual practice and discipleship as a journey. They discuss the paradoxes of faith and being a contemplative, where we are called to be in the moment, while also moving toward God. And they share how loving history and being part of the Church is relational, messy work.

“In a real sense we are on a journey to God, we’re seeking him, but the whole time God is with us.”

– Lisa Deam, author, “3000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for Spiritual Seekers

Season 3, Episode 1 of Messy Jesus Business, hosted by Sister Julia Walsh

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In this espisode of Messy Jesus Business, Sister Julia Walsh and Lisa Deam discuss pilgrimage as a spiritual practice.

“I define it as a sacred journey, or a journey to a sacred place,” says Deam.  “I write about it because when I started getting a little more in to pilgrim’s journeys, it really reminded me about what the Bible says about how all of us are pilgrims.”

They also discuss how Deam’s background in medieval art history plays a role in her faith. “We live in an information era, a research era, a knowledge era where we can learn and look something up in a matter of seconds. And I feel like a lot about past ages in history–like the medieval era–can help us recover a little bit of the mystery and grandeur of God.”

In addition, Sister Julia and Deam explore the paradoxes of faith and being a contemplative.

“In a real sense we are on a journey to God, we’re seeking him, but the whole time God is with us. And we couldn’t get to God without God,” Deam explains.

ABOUT THE GUEST:

Lisa Deam has a Ph.D. in medieval art history and began her career in academia. She later transitioned to writing and is now an author in spiritual formation.

Her writing is geared toward helping Christians see how history can be a living part of their faith. Most recently, Deam is the author of “3000 Miles to Jesus: Pilgrimage as a Way of Life for Spiritual Seekers,” a book that invites readers into the adventure of spiritual pilgrimage.

Deam also hosts The Contemplative Writer, a website providing soul care for writers and people of faith.

When not roaming the Middle Ages, Deam lives in the Charlotte, North Carolina area with her family.

CONTEMPLATIVE MOMENT:

Our Contemplative Moment in this episode of Messy Jesus Business is from Hebrews 11:1-3, 7-11

MESSY JESUS BUSINESS is produced, hosted and edited by Sister Julia Walsh with production assistance from Charish Badzinski.

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